Schr"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the 1944-45 debate over the "Collapse of Determinism"
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Kai: Today's paper: "Schr"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the 1944-45 debate over the "Collapse of Determinism"".
Mira: The gist: Erwin Schrödinger conceived an explicit hidden-variable model in response to a 1944-1945 debate questioning whether quantum mechanics could be supplemented by deterministic hidden variables.
Kai: First, who's behind it and why it matters.
Title and authors: Kai: So we're looking at "Schr"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the one thousand nine hundred forty-four-forty-five debate over the 'Collapse of Determinism' <ref:2610.20752#pg1,Schr\"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the 1944-45 debate>." It sounds like a really deep dive into how Schrödinger actually thought about this issue back then.
Mira: Yeah, it’s interesting because it’s not just about finding a new solution; it’s about reconstructing a lost response to that historical argument between determinism and indeterminism in quantum mechanics.
Lev: From an engineering standpoint, the fact that Schrödinger drafted this model means we need to look at what he actually proposed, not just the philosophical debate itself.
Kai: Right. We have to figure out what his explicit hidden-variable model actually says about how photons behave when they pass through those polarizers.
Mira: Exactly. We want to get past the historical context and see if his specific mathematical rules for transmission are viable, or at least, what they tell us about the structure of quantum theory.
The paper's summary: Kai: So, basically, the paper explains that Schrödinger put forward a deterministic rule for photon transmission called T(λ, φ) equals one if lambda is greater than sin squared phi and zero otherwise.
Mira: That’s the core idea—it gives a specific way to transmit photons based on their hidden variable lambda and the polarizer angle phi >
Lev: And then it shows how he derived the number of transmitted photons NT equals N times one sin squared phi multiplied by rho of lambda dlambda, which is essentially trying to recover Malus' law.
Kai: But there’s a catch because after transmission through the first polarizer, only those photons with lambda greater than sin squared phi remain in our ensemble, which changes the distribution of that hidden variable to rho of lambda T equals one over cos squared phi for sin squared phi less than or equal to lambda less than or equal to one.
Mira: That update rule is critical because it has to be deterministic, so Schrödinger provides a rule for the hidden variable itself: lambda prime equals lambda minus sin squared phi divided by cos squared phi.
Lev: That transformation maps that interval from sin squared phi to one onto zero to one, which restores a uniform distribution for the updated hidden variable, which is what he needs to keep the math consistent.
The paper's improvements: Kai: What’s interesting about this paper isn't just that Schrödinger proposed a model at all, but how the paper suggests we can improve on it by testing it.
Mira: It points out that even though Schrödinger’s work is a proof of principle, we can use his idea to test the limits of these theories.
Lev: The paper outlines three key areas where this framework helps: first, high-fidelity simulations for polarization experiments using continuous hidden variables instead of just discrete ones.
Kai: So, it suggests we can simulate multiple successive polarizers by explicitly incorporating Schrödinger’s deterministic rule for transmission, T(λ, φ) equals one if lambda is greater than sin squared phi >
Mira: And second, the update rule lambda prime equals lambda minus sin squared phi divided by cos squared phi enables us to model the continuous state evolution of photon distribution after each measurement.
Lev: That means we can predict and verify quantum statistics for subsequent measurements based on those continuously updated hidden variable distributions.
Conclusion: Kai: So, wrapping up, the paper "Schr"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the one thousand nine hundred forty-four-forty-five debate over the 'Collapse of Determinism'" shows that even if a deterministic picture isn't what we are looking for, these models can still be used as proofs of principle against impossibility claims <ref:2610.20752#pg1,Schr\"odinger's unpublished hidden-variable model in the 1944-45 debate>.
Mira: It really highlights Schrödinger’s view that experimental evidence plus logical deduction can never prove that either the deterministic or the indeterministic view is impossible, which is a very cautious philosophical stance.
Lev: For real hardware, what this means is that we have a rigorous framework to test these models against actual measurements of photon statistics to see if they hold up under those constraints.
Kai: So even though Schrödinger never published it, this paper shows that figures like Einstein and Bohm were deeply engaged in these questions of causality and indeterminism, and his model should be understood as a proof of principle rather than an endorsement of determinism.
Flavio Del Santo, Erwin Schr"odinger
University of Geneva · Constructor University, Bremen, Germany
physics.hist-ph, quant-ph
Submitted: 2026-10-14
Updated: 2026-10-14
Comments: 5 pages + 1-page typescript o the unpublished manuscript by Schrödinger
License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Importance score: 80/100
The gist: The gist: Erwin Schrödinger conceived an explicit hidden-variable model in response to a 1944-1945 debate questioning whether quantum mechanics could be supplemented by deterministic hidden variables.
Key concepts
- Deterministic Hidden-Variable Model
- This is a theory suggesting that quantum randomness is not fundamental but arises from our incomplete knowledge of underlying, deterministic variables. Schrödinger created a specific mathematical rule for how photons should be transmitted through polarizers based on these hidden variables.
- Update Rule for Hidden Variables
- When a photon passes through the first polarizer, only certain hidden variables remain possible. Schrödinger developed a specific mathematical transformation (λ' = λ − sin2 φ / cos2 φ) to map these remaining possibilities back onto a uniform distribution, ensuring the model remains consistent with subsequent measurements.
- Proof of Principle
- Schrödinger used his model not to prove determinism, but as an argument against the idea that it is impossible. He argued that neither quantum indeterminism nor classical determinism can be definitively ruled out by logic or experiment alone, making the model a 'proof of principle' against absolute claims.
Summary
The gist: Erwin Schrödinger conceived an explicit hidden-variable model in response to a 1944-1945 debate questioning whether quantum mechanics could be supplemented by deterministic hidden variables.
The historical context of the debate
In the mid-1940s, a debate resurfaced concerning whether quantum mechanics could be supplemented by deterministic hidden variables, with Schrödinger drafting an unpublished response to this controversy In the mid-1940s, a debate over classical and quantum indeterminism suddenly resurfaced despite foundational discussions of quantum mechanics having been stifled by the war This revival was sparked by two independent events: the twenty-seventh Guthrie Lecture delivered on May 18, 1943, at the Physical Society in London by Edmund Taylor Whittaker The second event was the presidential address “The Classical Determinism and the Quantum Theory”, delivered by Satyendra Nath Bose at the Indian Science Congress in Delhi on January 3, 1944 Both contributions independently put forward roughly the same fundamental thesis: quantum mechanics had provided enough grounds to finally question once and for all the classical dogma of determinism in physics
Schrödinger’s deterministic hidden-variable model of Malus’ law
Schrödinger presented a deterministic rule for transmission, T(λ, φ) = (1, λ ≥ sin2 φ, 0, otherwise) The number of transmitted photons is then NT = N Z 1 sin2 φ ρ(λ) dλ = N cos2 φ to recover Malus’ law A difficulty arose because after transmission through the first polarizer, only photons satisfying λ ≥ sin2 φ remain in the ensemble, changing the distribution of the hidden variable to ρ(λ T) = 1/ cos2 φ for sin2 φ ≤ λ ≤ 1 To maintain consistency, Schrödinger provided a deterministic update rule for the hidden variable: λ′ = λ − sin2 φ / cos2 φ This rule maps the interval [sin squared φ, 1] onto [0, 1], restoring a uniform distribution for the updated hidden variable For a second polarizer oriented at an angle φ', the transmission rule is T′(λ′, φ, φ′) = (1, λ′ ≥ sin 2(φ' − φ), 0, otherwise) This leads to NT′ = NT Z 1 sin 2(φ'−φ) dλ′ = NT cos 2(φ'−φ), which agrees with the prediction of quantum mechanics
Philosophical considerations and the status of determinism
Schrödinger stated that “even very elaborate and mathematically rigorous deductions, such as Von Neumann’s, are of limited value” He argued that “Experimental evidence + logical deduction can never prove that either the deterministic or the indeterministic view is impossible” He asserted that “the strongest plea in favour of indeterminism is older than quantum mechanics” Schrödinger maintained that “classical mechanics itself is indeterminate” and criticized determinism as the “fundamental dogma of classical physics, a ‘philosophic prejudice’, and an ‘a priori belief’” The manuscript should be understood not as an endorsement of a deterministic picture of nature, but as a proof of principle
Why Schrödinger did not publish his model
Schrödinger did not publish his model because Pelzer had already published a paper presenting a hidden-variable explanation of Whittaker’s example Pelzer's paper provided an explicit quantitative hidden-variable model, but unlike Schrödinger, he did not specify an explicit deterministic transformation law for the hidden variable of each individual photon It is plausible that Schrödinger became aware of Pelzer’s result through its citation in the Nature debate Schrödinger’s manuscript was considerably broader in scope and philosophically more ambitious, combining a concrete hidden-variable model with a reflection on the limits of impossibility proofs The debate ultimately ended with Piaggio offering an opinion that “the existence of causality has not been disproved”
Conclusion
The paper reconstructs a forgotten debate that reopened between 1943 and 1945 the question of whether quantum mechanics could admit a deterministic completion A central new result is that Schrödinger himself conceived a hidden-variable model in the context of this debate, although he never published it The debate between determinism and indeterminism has divided physicists for over a century and continues to do so today Schrödinger’s model should therefore be understood not as an endorsement of a deterministic picture of nature, but as a proof of principle Such models could serve as proofs of principle against widespread beliefs or alleged impossibility claims, as strikingly illustrated by the case of Schrödinger reconstructed here This paper shows that even figures like Einstein and Bohm devoted much of their intellectual lives to questions of causality and indeterminism The paradigmatic case is that of Einstein, Schrödinger, and Bohm, perhaps the three figures most commonly regarded in the popular culture of physicists as the main authorities on the side of determinism All three devised hidden-variable models, yet none can simply be characterized as an advocate of determinism Schrödinger’s model should therefore be understood not as an endorsement of a deterministic picture of nature, but as a proof of principle This paper shows that even figures like Einstein and Bohm devoted much of their intellectual lives to questions of causality and indeterminism The debate between determinism and indeterminism has divided physicists for over a century and continues to do so today From the outset, it has carried a strong ideological charge, often taking the form of a partisan confrontation between two opposing camps The paradigmatic case is that of Einstein, Schrödinger, and Bohm All three devised hidden-variable models, yet none can simply be characterized as an advocate of determinism Schrödinger’s model should therefore be understood not as an endorsement of a deterministic picture of nature, but as a proof of principle Such models could serve as proofs of principle against widespread beliefs or alleged impossibility claims This paper shows that even figures like Einstein and Bohm devoted much of their intellectual lives to questions of causality and indeterminism The debate between determinism and indeterminism has divided physicists for over a century and continues to do so today From the outset, it has carried a strong ideological charge, often taking the form of a partisan confrontation between two opposing camps The paradigmatic case is that of Einstein, Schrödinger, and Bohm All three devised hidden-variable models, yet none can simply be characterized as an advocate of determinism Schrödinger’s model should therefore be understood not as an endorsement of a deterministic picture of nature, but as a proof of principle Such models could serve as proofs of principle against widespread beliefs or alleged impossibility claims The paper reconstructs a largely forgotten debate that reopened between 1943 and 1945 the question of whether quantum mechanics could admit a deterministic completion A central new result is that Schrödinger himself conceived a hidden-variable model in the context of this debate, although he never published it The debate between determinism and indeterminism has
Improvements for AI systems
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textbfFundamental Model Testing for Hidden Variables: Implement Schrödiger's Continuous Parameter Model for Quantum Optics Analysis. The improved AI can perform high-fidelity simulations of polarization experiments by explicitly incorporating Schrödiger’s deterministic rule for transmission, T(λ, φ) = (1, λ ≥ sin2 φ). This allows the system to test the viability of hidden variable models against quantum predictions for multiple successive polarizers using continuous hidden variables instead of discrete ones.</item
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textbfHandling Continuous State Evolution in Quantum Systems. The AI will be capable of modeling photon state evolution by applying Schrödiger’s update rule, λ' = λ − sin2 φ / cos2 φ, to track the distribution of hidden variables after transmission through a polarizer. This enables the system to predict and verify quantum statistics for subsequent measurements based on the continuously updated hidden variable distribution.</item
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textbfCategorical Analysis of Determinism vs. Indeterminism in Physics Interpretation. The AI can be programmed to evaluate physical theories by applying Schrödiger's philosophical conclusion:
Experimental evidence + logical deduction can never prove that either the deterministic or the indeterministic view is impossible.
This allows the system to assess competing interpretations, such as von Neumann’s proof versus Popper’s view, by flagging them asextremely inconvenient
hypotheses rather than absolute truths.</item -
textbfBeyond Single-Bit Constraints in Parameter Encoding. The improved AI can recognize that
One bit is therefore no longer sufficient: the outcome must depend on the interplay between a continuous hidden variable and the setting of the apparatus,
as demonstrated by Schrödiger’s model for Malus’ law. This capability allows the system to identify situations where classical or quantum systems require continuous variables, moving beyond simplistic binary encoding assumptions.</item -
textbf Historical Contextual Reasoning for Theoretical Development. The AI can analyze historical scientific debates, recognizing that
the strongest plea in favour of indeterminism is older than quantum mechanics.
This enables the system to contextualize modern physical theories by linking them to pre-quantum philosophical commitments, such as Schrödiger's earlier embrace of statistical character in nature.
Abstract
In the mid-1940s, the question of whether quantum mechanics could be supplemented by deterministic hidden variables resurfaced in a debate in textit Nature. I show that Erwin Schrödinger drafted a hitherto unpublished response to this controversy. In it, Schrödinger provided an explicit hidden-variable model, thereby showing that such models could not be ruled out. I reconstruct the historical context of this forgotten manuscript and publish here the first transcription and analysis. Importantly, Schrödinger's proposal should be understood as a proof of principle rather than as evidence of his commitment to determinism.